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Chitauri Scepter (Loki's Short Staff) - Mk 2

by GlitchTech Jun 11, 2014
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Hi, I've printed all the pieces and have a question about the end of the haft. When haft 1 a and b are connected up, even with the haft cover, there's a square hole leading to a channel into the haft itself. What's this hole and channel for? Is it for an on/off switch or is there a plug that's supposed to go in it?

I have to say, this is one of the best files I've used from this site. They way you've sliced it all up and put reference points and plugs in it, absolutely superb. Really helpful for the end user to assemble it.

Thank you,
Daf

First of all, thank you for the kind statements. I tried to make it as simple as possible.

Now for your question, that square channel is a space for a switch to poke out. I used a toggle switch from radio shack (back when they still had stores). If you are not using electronics, it can be ignored or filled in. I never did design/print a blank plug for that space. Oversight.

Great, thanks for the clarification. I thought that was what it was but wanted to check. I'll put my switch in there and scratch build a plug cover. Thanks!

Also, thank you for replying to a message on a design you put up 7 years ago! Excellent stuff. Really looking forward to putting this together for my Loki cosplay.

Thanks again,
Daf

hello. I just downloaded the file and can't wait to print it on my Creality printer, but I can't seem to find the instructions on how to connect the pieces together. please help.

Rough assembly instructions are at the bottom of the the Thing Details page. Subsection titled "Assembly".

Thanks so much. I thought it came with the downloaded files

I am currently printing this for my daughter. I am amazed at the detail in it. We are planning on using gold leaf to make it look very metallic and shiny (she's using it in her marching show..she's drum major and will be the only one using it). Thank you so much for your design, and I will post pictures once we have it complete sometime between the 10th and 16th.

hello, I am printing the staff myself. do you know where the instructions are to connect the pieces?

So I was able to get my scepter working and it looks great! Once I changed the power to the strip to vcc and the data to pin 12 it fixed it. I just have one more question. If I wanted to use a nano instead of a mini would it still work and I want to use a strip with 39 leds on it for my tesseract. Would I just need to apply 5v to both ends of the strip to make it work?

I would think so? I haven't used a nano so you'd have to adjust pins as needed and do some testing of your own. But I don't think it should cause too much trouble.

Hi, so I have printed out your scepter and I really love the design. Right now I am working on wiring up the electronics but I cannot get the LED strip to light up. It has 5V, DATA, and Ground and is a DC strip. I have hooked it up to both two AAA batteries and the entire wiring of the scepter with the coded arduino. Every once in a while I can get the strip to flash the power indicator lights next to the LEDs and once I was able to get the first LED of the strip to light up. This is the second LED strip I have ordered and all of my soldering is clean. I am not sure what is wrong. Could you tell me if I am missing anything please?

Are you using two AAA batteries or four? The AAA battery holder (which was sold by radio shack and the link is broken so that's fun) is designed to hold two batteries. The system will require four (4) total AAA batteries to function since each battery is 1.5v and they are hooked up in series to produce 6v of power.

I originally was using two AAA batteries, but had connected the LED strip to two different types of 9v batteries. I have now added two more AAA batteries to the system, bringing the total to four AAA batteries, but am still having no luck. I cannot get the LED strip to turn on. I did not get my battery holders from radio shack and since I have tried multiple power sources, I figure those are not the problem.

Could you take a picture of the circuit with everything attached? I'm not sure what is up and unable to help without visuals unfortunately.

Here is the wiring with the arduino and everything else. I have the wires for the LED connected to a 3-pin connector and just plug that into the the strip.

Okay. The primary issue looks like your battery packs are connected in parallel (pos to pos and neg to neg). They should be series. So on your picture, arduino ground to neg on the first pack pack, pos on the first pack to neg on the second pack, and pos on the second pack to the switch.

Second thing I would do but might not matter, is take the positive line from the LED strip and connect it to VCC instead of RAW. RAW would be feeding the LED strip ~6v when wired correctly but they should be running on 5V or what VCC provides.

Lastly, it looks like you connected your LED strip to PIN 13. That is partially my bad with naming variables in the arduino code. I've updated it. The LED strip should be connected to PIN 12. PIN 13 is usually the arduino's internal LED pin that comes on the board.

It worked! Thank you for your help, I do love this model. I am wondering, though, do you have a chart or something that tells you the settings possible with the DIP switch?

All there is is the code. 4 switches run the patterns and the other 4 switches run the colors. It uses binary math based on each grouping of 4 switches. Check the code, main arduino sketch loop function. Most of the switches values were never set up; didn't have the imagination to come up with something unfortunately.

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Im in the same boat. I have everything all wired but when it turn it on I get nothing.

Could you take a picture of the circuit with everything attached?

I have this all printed out and it looks great!
But I am very green at doing anything with arduino. From your page with all of your codes on it what codes do I need to make it function like it did in your YouTube video?

The git repository contains the entire code needed to make it run. It is broken up into separate files for sanity sake. You should be able to open that entire folder as a project in arduino. If you are using the web client, I am unsure how to upload the entire thing as a single sketch folder at this time. I haven't played with it recently, sorry. I can take a look and try to figure it out if you'd like.

If you could that would be really helpful! I did find the code that could be opened in the arduino editer. So did you add each sketch individually onto the arduino in order to get the multiple lighting effects?

This compiles but I unfortunately do not have access to my scepter at this time to test the programming. It should work...

https://create.arduino.cc/editor/GlitchTechScience/8079c3b9-e346-40d8-89de-7e99920a3f31/preview

Thank you! I have already gotten the code on the ardiono. There is one question I have though. It says in your quick description on the wiring that you use pin 12 but in the code it says led_pin=13 then data=12. Do you need both pins or just 12?

led_pin is just the built in pin on the arduino. Usually it is pin 13. So you can ignore that. Just connect data to 12.

Ok. I had also been having issues with nothing happening when I connect power but I was only usuing 2 AAA batteries. I'll try with the 4 like you said earlier and see if I have any luck.

Hello there! Amazing file! Do you know where I could get the long version of the staff or if you have it?

I never designed a long staff version, only this size one. Unfortunately I do not know of an available location for a pre-designed version of it either.

What did filament you use to print the Gem?

A translucent blue pla. Might have been inland brand.

AWESOME print! great design. so much fun to print and build! Check out my video https://youtu.be/ZQb81wUo1HU
This has to be my favorite print ive done today. just love it. thank you for offering such a great piece!

Does anyone have a good solution to cleaning up supports off a print?

I used razor blades and sand paper. Not the best but works.

This is awesome. Printing it out as I'm typing this. Quick question. Could you post an exploded picture of the scepter? That would really help me in putting this together (very visual person. Written directions sometimes go over my head). Also, I'm working with the wiring system for this piece and I was wondering if you ever considered attaching a single LED inside the scepter, adding in a resistor, then running a wire to an on/off switch and battery?

Also, isn't there supposed to be a horn behind the large blade? I'm asking because I've seen a lot of versions with one. Not really important.

Absolutely beautiful and insanely well thought-out piece. You rock my socks, dude.

There is the full model available in the downloads (staff.skp). You can open that in sketchup and see all the parts. I'm not sure when/if I'll have time to make an exploded view.

I don't think so, at least for the screen version I used for my references. I used the DVD release scene where all the heroes are arguing on the helicarrier, right before Banner picks the scepter up off the stand. Course, I could have missed a detail. This was a relatively early piece for me.

Thanks :)

Okay. I'll try that again. The only thing that's getting me is the gem housing. It's driving me buggy. I can't see where it connects to the staff proper.

Here's a view of that area. It is if the piece is cut in half. The gem will sit just on the little cup. Hopefully this helps.

https://imgur.com/a/gmtRX

I've also added a link to a quick and dirty Fusion 360 model in the description. This will allow you to explode the model and rotate it around to see how most things fit together.

Sorry. I'm trying your design again, and I had a quick question. How do you turn that Arduino code into something that works with the LED strip and DIP switch? That part is really confusing me.

In what way do you mean? Are you asking how to program an arduino? Or for a wiring diagram?

A wiring diagram would be terrific!

https://goo.gl/photos/7NMjhEdB5AthuQ936

Another person posted this diagram that worked for them. I think that's pretty close to how I did it but it's been a few years and I cannot find the old diagram I used. Technically this could result in floating pins but it hasn't yet for me.

Awesome! Thank you so much for this! Also, Once I saw that version, I was able to whip this up. Not my best work. And because I can't do anything simply, I'm trying to figure out how I can augment this for an RGB LED bulb. Because I can't ever do anything simply. Thank you again!

I know I've been asking a lot of questions, but I'm in final assembly.
How did you arrange the LEDS in the gem for maximum light dispersion?

I spiraled the LEDs in a double helix facing out. Not anything fancy but it worked well.

So, I've been building this staff bit by bit over the past year with some really good results (I'll post pictures of the final product when it's finished), but I've discovered an issue with some of the files.
I originally used the combined haft cover, but I wanted to more easily change settings so I printed the split haft cover.
It turns out that the square notch near the tapered end of the cover (where the magnet is set) is about 1/8 of an inch offset towards the taper from its seat in the actual haft.
I've been able to cut away the section that prevents it from attaching, but I figured you would want to know for a later revision

That is a problem. Wonder how I missed that in my builds. I guess I had enough 'printer slop' that I didn't notice. I will make a note for if/when I do another revision.

A few questions:

1) How many of the pegs do I need? I think I am counting 8?
2) How many LED's did you put into the gem?
3) The switch you linked in the BOM from radio shack is no longer working...do you have a picture of the switch, or a link to a comparable one?
4) Theoretically, could any rechargeable 6V battery go in place of the AAA holders?
5) The little holes in the sides of the haft...I assume they're for alignment pegs, do you have a recommendation for what you used there?
6) Longer question...I'm actually making kind of a display in my media room...I'm making all 5 (eventually 6) of the carriers of the infinity stones, but without the actual stones. Then I will make the gauntlet, with full LED's as stones. It'll look like I collected all 6 objects to assemble the gauntlet. For that, I technically want to make this without the gem. But you made such a cool gem...I kind of want to attach a socket so the gem can come on and off. Think that's feasible?

1) There are 22 pegs used in the model.
2) I fit 21 of the neopixel LEDs into the gem.
3) Something similar to https://www.radioshack.com/collections/switches/products/spst-submini-sw should work. It far exceeds the electrical specs but looks to fit the size requirements.
4) If you can find a battery that fits in the compartment, sure. At the time, I was unfamiliar with the logistics of LiPo and other rechargeable batteries. If I ever remake my Loki costume with this prop, I plan to update the design to allow for rechargeable batteries bluetooth control of the light patterns.
5) The holes along the length of the haft fit the pegs and are for alignment.
6) It might be a little complicated but it could be done. You'd need to design in an attachment mechanism (a magnet maybe?) and add some wire connector to the end of the cables that are fastened in place to not shift when attaching or removing.

Hope your project goes well. If you have more questions, feel free to ask.

What about the 2 tiny holes in say Neck2, what are those for? I was gonna snip a toothpick or something

Oh yes, those. I used 1.75mm filament to align things.

Ok a few more questions:

1) You left the programming interface for the arduino with a header on a wire, correct? If I am gonna set it and forget it, there's no real reason to leave that header on is there?
2) My C is rusty, but it looks like if I can squeeze more than 21 LED's in there, I just need to update the definition at the head of the file, right?
3) By my count, that means I have 8 wires from the Arduino to the dip switches, 3 wires from the arduino to the LED's, and then the 2 wires from the battery need to hit the ground and 5V pins. That's 11 contacts soldered on the arduino, correct?
4) From the diagrams, you're piping 6V through everything, right? The battery packs are connected in series for just straight 6V into all 5V connections? Or is there some modding of the battery carriers so you're using 4.5 with only 3 batteries?

1) There is no real reason to leave the header on. I left it because I was still tweaking and adjusting the coding once everything was installed in place.
2) Yup. Just update the LED count definition. That is the only place that is set.
3) Sounds correct.
4) I actually run the 6v into the arduino (ground and raw) and then use it to pump 5v to the system (ground and VCC)

A couple more questions; I compiled it and built it but from the pictures I'm still missing something.

1) What is the "DATA" variable in the .ino? I assume pin 13 which maps to "LED_PIN" is the data line to the LED's. DATA is mapped to 12.
2) Is the 2nd part of the DIP connected to ground? From the pictures that's what it looks like, but I wasn't sure.

Here's the circuit diagram as I can figure it out now: https://goo.gl/photos/7NMjhEdB5AthuQ936

I was able to ball up 38 LED's in there, but I think it's too many to power off 6V.

1) The data pin is pin which the NeoPixel signal line is connected to. LED is the internal Arduino LED pin (more details on that over at https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-arduino-lesson-1-blink/the-l-led )
2) Correct.

You might be able to, but I do think that you will be drawing too much current with that many LEDs.

So, I've printed most of the pieces of the scepter and am starting to move onto the electronics portion.
I'm having some difficulty figuring out how everything fits and exactly what components to buy (since all the radioshack links no longer exist).
could you post some photos of the electronics and the haft?

The missing items from Radio Shack are two AAA holders (two cell) and a mini SPST switch. I've added a few pictures to this thing (should be at the end) which should help with arrangement of the parts.

The AAA holder looks most similar to https://www.radioshack.com/products/radioshack-aaa-battery-holder-1?variant=20332272325 You'll need two of these.

The switch should be https://www.radioshack.com/products/radioshack-30vdc-0-5a-spst-sub-mini-slide-switch-2-pack?variant=20332087109

these photos helped TREMENDOUSLY. thank you!
some minor follow ups: I'm assuming the switch sits in the little channel all the way on the bottom of the haft?
also, what size magnets did you use?

Correct. The magnets are 1/4" x 1/16"

This was my first time working with a 3D print and I love how it turned out thank you for all the work you put into the model.
Here is my build on my Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1044454818953632.1073741889.793116487420801&type=3

Glad it worked well! The final version you made looks fantastic.

Thanks, I am going to replace the 9v with a small rechargeable battery and I still have to install an on/off switch.

I had planned for a mark 3 with full rechargeable systems but sadly my Loki costume no longer fits. Good luck!

Question for you all. I have tried over a dozen times to print Neck 3 to no success. Can someone give me some advice? The end pieces are so thin and fragile that it always fails.

Thanks,

I ended up splitting neck 3 and it worked pretty well.

That is what I had to do as well. Full support and raft. I couldn't figure out a better way to design it then (this is one of my earliest designs).

Hey Radioman, i failed at printing (Neck 3) about twice before i just threw Raft and full Support at it and then it printed like a charm. Alot of cleanup, but it worked out well and looks nice.

Heya Glitch! Awesome model! Excellent detail. Have you gotten around to making those wiring diagrams and assembly instructions?

I never did, but I really should. I'll add some comments to the Instructions section shortly that might help with the process. If the opportunity comes up for making another staff, I will document it better.

Thank you for posting the assembly instructions, what is the best 'glue' to use to give a solid connect?. I've printed out nearly every piece and I'm hoping I can assemble it without screwing it up. Also, how many LED's did you end up putting into the gem?
Thanks again!

I joined everything with gel style superglue. Any sort of plastic glue should work fine as well. Hopefully the assembly guide is clearn enough...

I used 21 LED 'pixels'.

Lastly, sorry for the slow reply; I was moving over the weekend.

Could you make a solid little one of these so I could print it in miniature for my sons toys?
Is extremely good by the way.

Added the model. You'll have to adjust the scale for your machine.

You are amazing!!!!! Thank you soooooo much

Hopefully the model works just fine for you. It seemed to for my software.

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I originally designed it to fit on my Replicator MK1 bed (~9x~6). If you want, my original design file is there (staff.skp). Feel free to modify the parts that don't fit currently.

in the process of doing 1 of these now, been printing parts since boxing day, just loads of sanding and painting next..

Will upload pics once done

Sweet! I'm diving in--wish me luck!

(psst... how about Loki horns?)

Good luck! And I may have a model... just need to finish it off.