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Hypercube Evolution 2020

by martind_n Jul 26, 2017
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Was the Y carriage remixed too? I am building a model of the printer up in CAD and it looks like the two pulleys are off by 10mm but I could be wrong since I can’t thread belts in my software. (I am using 10mm Y rods and 8mm X rods)

It was, I'm using 8mm rods for both X and Y. Also, I used a different bushing than LMXXUU also.

@martind_n, can you explain your X setting, where did you get the rods and bushings? Are they better than metal rods and linear bearings?

Are M5x10mm still used to assemble the frame or is a shorter screw used since 2020 extrusions are not as deep?

Yep, M5x10mm are just fine, I built mine using those.

Thanks. I am building a regular HEVO right now but when finished going to turn my delta into a smaller 235x235 HEVO 2020. Now I know what screws to stock up on.

I want to make a smaller version of this (convert an FLSUN Mini Delta) for a 235X235mm heat bed (same size as Ender-3 and Geetech A10). How do I go about calculating the correct lengths? The HEVO calculator would assume 3030 so the legnths would not be correct given I would be using 2020.

I don't speak french, but I guess what @dionnel said below is the answer you're looking for.

Je crois que vous pouvez utiliser la feuille Excel originale... en remplaçant le 30 de la cellule Sheet1!C5 par 20.

Any chance of an Excel sheet calculator as with the original model with 3030 extrusions ?

Parts designed in Fusion360 ? Is yes, could you share some of the files, so it will be possible to create the parts for the Y axis in 10mm ?

Hi bipsen,

I've just uploaded the parts for 10mm Y linear rails for another guy, so you can use those.

Regards,
Martin.-

Looks great, good job on wiring mgmt. I ordered the parts, looking forward building it. Can you tell me which touch screen you're using, and which software?

Hi,

I'm using an MKS TFT32 and running smoothieware for the printer.

Regards,
Martin.-

thanks and sorry, I just now saw it in your updates :)

Do you have a BOM for all the frame parts needed for this version?

Hi,

I don't... But you can get it from original Scott's design.

Martin.-

Great job, thanks. What is optimum lengths of extrusions and rods to build 200x200x200 print volume?

Hi,

You can check the xls file in the original HEVO. There you can get the extrusions length. Regardless it's 3030 or 2020 the horizontal extrusions have the same size. For vertical one, you can use the value obtained and get 1 extra cm in the build height at the most.

Good luck.

Martin,

Could you share de configuration Sbase files for the dual head printer version?

Thanks!

aj

Thank you for an amazing job!
Is there any chance you have the files for both x and y with 10mm rods for this design?

Hi.

I was working on it and realised that the X carriage does not have enough material to fit the LM10UU, so I'm afraid you're gonna need to use 8mm linear rods instead...

Thanks for the response mate.
Took me some time to realize the original design is actually using 8mm for x.
So what about the y rods is there any chance you have the files for the 10mm y rods? I already bought the
10mm rods I'm planning on using a direct drive so I wanted it to be more ridgid

Hi Reisher,

Files updated. Since the original design has 10mm linear rails for Y axis, I guess you will only need the motor holders and the Idlers as "modified" parts (you can use the original Y carriage and clamp). If you find anything else, just let me know.

Hi Reisher,

Actually I don't... I could remix them but I will take a couple of days.

Martin,

After going through the comments I just want to make sure I can build a COMPLETE evolution out of 2020 stock

Thanks,
Erick

Hi Erik,

You can build a complete Hevo out of 2020 extrusion. The one in the pictures is actually my printer.

Good luck!
Martin.-

Hola Martin, excelente lo suyo! Vale la pena bujes en Y y varillas de fibra con los iggus en x? Mejoró mucho o la hiciste así de origen?

La verdad que los bujes que puse en Y son perfectos, no tienen nada de juego con respecto a la guía, igual después de muchas pruebas fue más una cuestión de suerte que otra cosa, asique eso lo recomiendo. Con respecto a los igus y las varillas de fibra de carbono, ya había hecho una hypercube (la original) con varillas de metal y LM8UU y se notaban los efectos, por eso esta la armé con fibra de carbono de una, pero al hacer la primer impresión, aunque en menor medida, las marcas están, no es perfecto. Es más un tema de configuración de aceleración, velocidad y jerk que otra cosa me parece, de hecho las máquinas con extrusión directa tienen el motor en el eje y la masa es mucho mayor... Resumiendo, si vas a comprar en china, traete fibra de carbono e igus, salen 2 mangos, si vas a comprar acá, con varillas de metal y rodamientos vas a andar bien también. Suerte!

Hi Martin ,
Do u have the config file for the MKS board for this printer ? i have a MKS base 1.4 . thanks

Hi Chobi,

I'm not using that board, the one I have is Sbase, that is Smoothieware set up. This won't work with the one you have.

Hola buen día, el xy se puede usar los de hypercube 3030?, un saludo

Hola,

No entendí tu pregunta. A qué te referís con el xy?

Donde se une el eje Y con el X

Si vas a usar varillas de 8mm en X y 10mm en Y, podes usar los originales de Scott.

Hi,

What's you power supply model and brand? I would like to use your ps support.... thanks...

Hi,

This is the one I'm using. Hope it helps.

http://s.aliexpress.com/neY3yUJV?fromSns=

Hola Martin!

Primero que nada felicitaciones por este fantástico remix!
Te quería hacer una consulta, podrías hacer un remix de los archivos "XY Idler Right LM10.stl", "XY Idler Left LM10.stl" y "Y Carriage xDia8 LM10UU 1.0.stl" para que funcionen con rodamientos 608zz en vez de las poleas??
Comprar en mercadolibre 6 poleas con rodamientos mas 2 poleas lisas cuesta mas de 2000 pesos lo cual es un disparate.

Un millon de gracias!
Abrazo!

Hola.

Honestamente no creo que puedas solucionarlo con rodamientos 608 en lugar de las poleas (dentadas o no). El diámetro exterior es bastante mayor que el de las poleas, con lo cual habría que hacer un cambio integral tanto en las piezas que mencionaste como en el X carriadge (se desplazaría el punto donde la correa dentada hace contacto con el rodamiento). Además de esto, tendrías que usar los flanged bearings para evitar que la correa se mueva hacia arriba o hacia abajo, podrías suplantar las guías horizontales con alguna pieza impresa, pero me imagino que al apretar todo junto limitarían el movimiento de los rodamientos.

Mi humilde consejo es que compres las partes en AliExpress o Bangood.

Igualmente voy a mirarlo a ver si es posible modificarlo cuando tenga un poco de tiempo.

Saludos,
Martín.-

Hola Martin,

Si, me imaginaba que habría que rediseñar X carriadge también, si llegas a tener tiempo y le queres dar una mirada ahí te envío tres links que pueden llegar a ser útiles.

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2617058 (un idler para poleas de 20mm, los 608zz son de 22mm, el tema es que es para perfiles 3030)
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2742174 (un idler que no es de la hypercube pero puede ser útil para resolver el tema de las aletas para que no se salga la correa)
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2806308 (un idler que puede ser mas simple de modificar)
https://youtu.be/be-mAw8TZbg?t=11m7s (un video que usa las tapas impresas para mantener la corre centrada como vos decías)

Por último te quería consultar si tenes toda la impresora montada en Fusion 360 (lo acabo de instalar hoy al programa, me falta aprenderlo un poco) pero si tenes el proyecto entero en Fusion 360 y me lo podes pasar me pongo a trastear yo con el tema.

Te dejo mi mail por si me tenes que enviar algún archivo: lucianomorico@gmail.com

Gracias!
Saludos!

HyperCube Evolution 20mm pulleys mount
Hictop 3DP11 - Y-Axis Idler Pulley Bearing Mount
Hypercube Evolution Idler/Pulley Mounts Redesigned 10mm Rods
by Biggsis

Hola Luciano,

Estuve viendo y los links y modificar los idler no es complicado, lo más complejo es modificar el carro del eje Y, ya que no hay mucho lugar para meter los 608zz. Si puedo el fin de semana le doy un mirada más en detalle.
Sobre los archivos en fusion, están subidos acá, fijate en el tab FILES y vas a ver un archivo zip que contiene las piezas que yo modifiqué. Si querés los originales de Scott, también están en el proyecto original.

Saludos,
Martín.-

Hola Martin!

Genial! Si, imagino que habrá que ensanchar un par de centímetros el "carriage Y" y desplazar los orificios donde van montados los 608zz.

Para el desplazamiento del "carriage Y" tengo varillas de 10mm de diámetro.

Voy a darle una mirada a los archivos que mencionaste.

Gracias!!
Saludos!

Hi,
Are you able to provide the fusion 360 files for Z_Axis_Bearing_Holder_LM8uu, I'm trying to create a 2040 version or can you create one ?? Thanks

Hi. Fusion file uploaded.

Thank you keep the great work up

What size are the z rods that you use?

Las guías lineales, tienen 395mm de longitud.

Hi,

As far as the 2020 extrusion lengths go, if I plug in the build volume (like 300x300x400) into the spreadsheet that Scott provides, those sizes should work? Does that go for the smooth rods as well? Someone mentioned using http://funkydiver.com/hypercube-materials to check the lengths but the values are different than what the spreadsheet says.

Also what about the length of the lead screws? Add 15mm to the z length?

Thanks.

Hola.

Mira, de hecho yo usé las mismas medidas que Scott en su diseño original y obtuve un volumen efectivo de impresión de 290x315x290 (XYZ). Supongo que si tu quieres obtener el volumen que mencionas, solo es necesario sumar la diferencia entre el volumen que obtuve y el tuyo y ya.
Sobre el largo de las varillas roscadas del eje Z, para obtener 290mm de desplazamiento, tengo varillas de 355mm pero de hecho sobran unos 25mm cuando la cama está en la posición 0, asique con que sean 20mm más largas que el desplazamiento total, debería ser suficiente (yo estoy usando motores que tienen la varilla roscada como eje, sin acoples, y tuercas anti backlash).

Si tienes otra duda, me avisas.

Saludos.

I've printed the left and right XY-idler parts. It seems the holes for the smooth rod are slightly bigger than 8mm. Is that correct?

Hi,

The parts work for me... Check your extrusion settings, may be a bit more flow rate solves your issue.

Are these the default hole sizes from the original? Maybe they where oversized from the beginning. I already checked my flow rate and it is spot on (a hole size cibration part printed perfectly). Thats why I checked the size to see if the issue is with the parts.

Originals are 10mm. The parts I made are 8.2mm in order to let you fit the linear rails and then tighten the idler with the screws.

Ok, that explains why the holes are al little too big. At first I thought there was something funny going on with my printer ;-)

I'll see if I can alter the model to make them a precise 8mm. Are you willing to share your source files so I can alter the models?

Check the "thing files" tab, there are the Fusion files. In case they are not there (I honestly don't remember) just let me know.

Thanks! The files are there. My bad :-)

This looks like exactly what I need, thanks for posting this!

Does somebody have a extrusion lengths for a 200^3 build?

Hi, first of all, amazing remix!

Does the Y carriage clamps protrude from the aluminium profile? I would like to make an enclosure attaching plywood but looks like it will collide with the clamps.

good observation,
that doesn't sound good, I also want to enclose the printer,
maybe use a router to remove some material on the plywood
or build the original hypercube instead of evo version

Hi.

Actually do... About 5 milimiters from the outer face of the AL profiles.

thanks for the remix, I am thinking to rebuild mine from a dbot to a hypercube evo
but d-bot was mainly built with 2020 and 2040, so that really stopped me from doing it.

some quick questions, are all the remixed parts use M5 bolts? I saw the original build uses some M6
also, I will use 2040 for top and bottom frames and 2020 for vertical frame, are there any remix parts that won't properly fit a 2040 because it's too high?

thanks.

Hi,

Everything is M5. M6 is for 3030 "L" joints. 2020 are also M5.
I don't have the machine in front of me, but as far as I can remember there should be no problem when using 2040 for horizontal frames.

Oh I am sorry, I must have mixed up something on the sd card or something. I see now there is everything as it should be.
Will try to print now.
Thank you very much

Hi Martind
I was wondering am I missing something or there are to left xy motor holders. One named left which is ofcourse left, the other right which is also left.
I just started to print out and figured there are two left xy motor holders for 8mm rod.
Would appreciate if you could clear this up or upload the xy right motor holder too.
Thank you

First thanks for this great conversion! I have a question about the profiles. I am using the Configurator excel file that I found in the Hypercube Evolution download files and I was wondering if I can use these values because I think they take into account the usage of 3030 profiles and they mai include this in the final calculations.
With the http://funkydiver.com/hypercube-materials i get different values... Can you tell use what sizes have you used for the profies? And what print volume you designed it for. *I see you use dual Z which is how I want to do mine) Thank you.

Hi Martind,
So im in the process of buying all the parts for the frame.
is the whole frame 2020?
are all the files remixed from the Original to 2020?
would i be able to make this with a 300x200 bed?

i used this: http://funkydiver.com/hypercube-materials
to make all my lengths correct
X: 300mm
Y: 200mm
Z: 300mm
Component space: 75mm

also would all the parts like Motors and board fix inside the Frame dimensions?
Thanks in advance

Hi,
Yes, while frame is 2020.
All the parts that "need" to be remixed are here, the ones missing here are available at original Hevo post.
You will be able to change bed size as long as you change Y axis length accordingly.
All the parts fit each other as long as your actual printer is correctly set up and printed parts size is according to the design =).

Ok thanks,
Is there like a list of the things that I need from the original or are all the names the same on both and whatever you don't have get from the original?
Also would PLA be ok for the parts of would PETG be better

I don't have a list, but basically all that shall be attached to main frame has been remixed. Also Y carriage parts in case you use 8mm linear rails (original are 10mm). Parts for X carriage and bed mount you should take from Scott's files. Finally, I also redesigned the extruder mount, you can use mine or original one.

hi
thanks for your quick reply martind_n
i will give it a try ;)

hi
looks amazing :)
did u just take the size of the 3030
and replaced them with 2020's ?
thank you

Hi,
Thanks!
Yep, just took the original design and changed the extrusion size for 2020. Original lengths just remain the same.

Happy New Year everyone!!

Hi Martin. Just looked at the HyperCube_Evolution_Configuration xls and was wondering... all you did was change the extrusion size value on the sheet from 30 to 20?I've done the same but I'd like to know for sure.

Started to use the Funky Diver calculator but that's a bit off. Cut one piece of profile but I've stopped now after looking at and changing the HyperCube_Evolution_Configuration_v1.4 Calculations sheet extrution size value to get a different set of numbers from the FunkyDiver set.

Hi,

All I did was take the same length as original HEVO and replaced the 3030 by 2020. I mean, I did no change on the original length provided by Scott for the original design for any of the extrusions.

Cheers,
Martín.-

Okay thanks for the reply.

I understand now. Whatever lenghts the configuration caluculations xlsx came up with when you put in the build volume on the configuration xlsx sheet you just LITERALLY cut 2020 instead of 3030 profile, and all without altering the extrusion_size in the xlsx file.

Strange that SCOTT_3D didn't give the user the option to change the profile size on the configuration sheet.......

Thanks again for bringing this to the world.

Hi,
I've actually used slot 6 but because my T-nuts are 6mm width. If you have the 5 mm T-nuts this should fix just fine. May be some holes are a bit loose for your bolts, but that shouldn't be an issue.

Tanks for your reply,
you are using 5mm bolt?

I do... So the holes for the screws are 5.2 mm in diameter. I guess you need to use M4 instead for the 5mm slot extrusion therefore screws will fit a bit loose on those holes, may be you can add washers to get a better grip...?

i have check with my friend the screws are m5
il will print some part to check.

thanks a lot

Nice work Martind, but i have print Z bearing holder and dont figure how to install it.to the bed .. Can u send or post picture (closer)
Sorry from my poor english.

Thanks Placide!
Don't worry, I'm not from an English speaking country either!
I attached a new picture, taken from below of the bed. Hope this helps. Let me know just in case it doesn't.

Thx for new pictures... I dont see the files to attached lead screw nut on bed ? Can u tell me the name Thx
i thing was z bracket (name)

Hi Placide,
Nut holder file is the same as the original. Bed base has not changed from the original Hevo (due to it was originally 2020 extrusion based).

ok thx a lot and again u make a nice pieces of .stl no errors :-)

This is great just what I needed thabk you! Do you have a file for 10mm y rails? And 2020 extrusions length is exactly as the 3030 by Scott?

Thanks!
Yes, XY idlers and motor holders are also available for 10mm Y rails (take a look to the files tab). For extrusions length, I used exactly the same as posted on the original design.

How is the build going?

The reason I ask is because like you for some reason getting hold of 3030 is pretty much impossible, though 2020 is common as sin haha.

It's gone pretty well actually!
I updated the thing right now. I had it pending for a long time and now you're asking it's the right momento to do so.

Great to hear bud, because of my work load I plan on building it week to week, month to month. so first thing will be the frame. So am I right in thinking all I need to do is just get all the lengths in 2020 for both bed frame and main frame, or do some need to be longer because of the change between the previous 3030 version?
If that makes sense haha.

Also forgot to ask, so are all the things in your remix all that is needed for the standard 300/300/300 build volume design?

Yes, I used exactly the same length extrusion as the original Scott's printer. Here you can find all the parts that need to be changed from the original design but not the whole set, the missing ones are just the same as the ones posted by Scott.

Z_Axis_Bearing_Holder_LM8uu.stl has a design flaw. There is a bar going down between the two LM8UU bearings that blocks the smooth rod from going through them.

Would it be possible for you to upload the fusion 360 file for that part? I'd like to modify it a bit to fit my extrusions better.

Hi. You can find all the Fusion files on the original Scott's post.

Awesome, looks good!

Sorry, it should be NICE :-)
shit tablet!

Hallo martind_n,
Nike work!
Can you remix the parts for 12mm Y rods and 10 mm X rods?
Man thanks!

I'm in the planning stage of building a Hypecube Evolution 2020. I've been looking through all your STL files and I have a few minor suggestions for improvement.

  1. XY_Idler. The clamp for the Y-axis steel rod is secured by a bolt and a threaded brass insert. However the bolt is on the inside, which means when the Hypercube is assembled the Idler Pulley is in the way of the bolt and so the bolt cannot be tightened without removing the Idler Pulley. If you changed the XY_Idler so the bolt was on the outside and the brass insert was on the inside, it would be easier to tighten the bolt if it became loose because of vibration.

  2. XY_Motor. Similar to the XY_Idler: the bolt for the clamp is on the inside and the brass insert is on the outside. This means the Motor Timing Pulley is in the way of the bolt once the HyperCube is assembled. Again the bolt could be swapped to the outside so it can be easily tightened.

  3. XY_Motor. The clamp securing the Y-axis steel rod has one fixed side and one moveable side. The movable side is on the outside and is movable because of a vertical cut in the base plate. This slightly weakens the base plate. This could be changed so that the outside was the fixed side and the inside was the movable side. Movability would be provided by a horizontal cut in the clamp. This would leave the base plate fully intact.

  4. XY_Motor. After change (3) is made, then it is only the movable part of the clamp that obscures the 4th motor hole. It would probably be possible to make a vertical circular extrusion cut in the clamp, so that the 4th motor hole was no longer obscured. This would allow the 4th motor hole to be added.

I hope those descriptions are reasonably clear. If not, please ask if anything needs clarification.

You seem to be continually improving your STL files, it would be great if could make my suggested changes.

Do you have a fusion 360 model file as I will want to remix it a bit to add a second bottom section for hiding electronics and change the complete XY for the FrameXY as the top.

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2138286

CoreXY Frame (v.2.0)

Sorry to be clear I mean the updated model that is 2020 as that is what I am going to use for the complete build as well.

Hi. This is a totally different set up. What files would you need?

I mean, you can find the full set of files on the original project created by Scott. If you need one of the already modified to fit 2020 extrusion, let me know which files you need.

You would have remodeled the HEVO to be all 2020 frame instead of 3030 right? If so, then the complete altered file will be great. I will further modify it to remove the XY with linear rods, and replace the top with the CoreXY Frame as the top section.

I will keep the linear rods for Z as well as dual stepper motors for Z as well if you have done that

Ok got it! Tonight (my time) I'll upload the fusion 2020 modified files.

You are a gem. Many thanks for uploading this.

Hi mate would i be able to get the idlers for 10mm or the original files to edit in fusion 360?

Sure! Just give a few time to update them.

thank you. i really like the edits you have accomplished so far.

Idlers Updated! But that made me think... Don't you need the XY motors also for 10mm rods?

Haha yup you read my mind...

XY motors for 10mm rods uploaded.

So the length of the extrusions is per the spreadsheet, or ? Z brackets still 12mm? WIll it be hard to make an 8mm version for the Z holders as well? Have a previous build that is all 2020 and 8mm and am thinking of converting it into a 2020 HPCE with as little costs as possible .I am almost sure with a 220x220 build platform, 8mm dual Z will be stiff enough ..

Sorry for the delay. Files updated.

You absolutely rock man, really!!! Yesterday I started printing a set and printed the XY parts so it is a perfect timing for me!

Yes, everything remains the same as the original Scott's design but the parts posted here. I can upload new parts for 8mm Z rods, just need a few days to perform the changes.

Thanks for you answer.... Seems that some other guy already did the 8mm Z, but for the 3030 frame- http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2427740 .- I think I will mix your 2020 Z and his 8mm core in tinkercad so don't waste your time. Will put it in the Remix section if it turns out well... if you still want to do it I will be grateful and certainly use your version though..

8mm Quad Z-Axis Hypercube Evolution

Your Z-mount doesn't line up with the Z-nut bracket. It seems like you moved the motor positioning further away from the extrusion instead of just shortening it. No complaints though since the other parts are good. Thanks for the hard work.

Hi. Finally I received all ordered parts and built the Evo. Original Z nut fits fine. I'm wondering why yours didn't...

New Z nut holder uploaded. It should fit now. In case you face any other issue please let me know.

Hi,
Thanks for letting me know. I'll fix it later today!

Is this fixed in the current model?

Hi.
I've just uploaded the new file. It shall fit now.

Thanks! Have you printed these parts and assembled a hypercube evo with them yet?

Everything mounted and parts fit just fine. Go ahead with yours!

Hi.
I'm still waiting for the corner brackets to arrive, so no, I didn't build it yet (but I'm pretty confident it will work =))